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mtrindadc
Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Aslan (Divine) (Narnia)
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Aslan (Divine) (Narnia) Aslan STOMP!


i Will explaing why Jesus/Aslan Defeats "Lucifer Morningstar (Samael) - Vertigo Universe from Vertigo (DC comics LOL)" in 7 points (the number of perfection).

1° JESUS/ASLAN IS GOD : In his own words, Lewis (THe creator of Narnia chronicles) was making a “supposal” about the character of Christ incarnated in a different reality when he writes about Aslan. (https://hobbylark.com/fandoms/TheIdentityofAslanSymbolismintheChroniclesofNarnia)

As i commented before In a letter to a child fan in 1961, Lewis explicitly stated:

“The whole Narnian story is about Christ,”

Lewis reveal his intention to weave his religious beliefs into the fabric of the Narnian CLEARLY tales.
(https://www.christiantoday.com/article/c.s.lewis.letter.testifies.narnia.lion.as.christ/4724.htm#google_vignette)
Aslan being an allegorical representation of Jesus ( everthing Jesus is Aslan is in The Chronicles of Narnia) Aslan is a creative exploration of what Christ might be like in another world. And Jesus is GOD (Not every Christian agrees with the Bible [Jehovah's Witnesses don't belive], believing that Jesus is God, so i will NOT use my personal view [i'm not a JW] so I'm just going to use the vision of the creator of the Chronicles of Narnia (author C.S Lewis) to explain why Aslan/JEsus is so powerful...) [agreeing with the bible] C.S. Lewis' belief in Jesus' divinity is woven throughout his writings, but a particularly clear statement appears in his book "Mere Christianity".

In his book [Mere Christianity], C.S Lewis argues against the idea of Jesus being merely a good teacher, emphasizing that Jesus' claims about himself demanded a stronger response. Lewis proposes the trilemma as a way to address this concept.

C.S. Lewis' Trilemma: This argument presented in Mere Christianity hinges on the idea that Jesus' teachings and claims about himself position him as either God incarnate, a madman, or a deceiver. Lewis argues against the latter two options, leaving him with the conclusion of Jesus' divinity.


2° Why ASlan/Jesus is Beyond High Outerverse level?
As all the characters included here on the site have a scaled power status (Intelligence, Strength, Speed, Durability, Power, Combat,Tier) let's try to scale the power of Aslan/JEsus (I'm going to do a #respectthread) so that through their so we can know to which level each status can be scaled:

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End." Jesus phrase [in Revelation 22:13] used to describe YHWH in the Old Testament [YHWH says that in Isaiah 44:6].

By applying these titles to himself, ASLAN/Jesus is drawing a connection between himself and YHWH, suggesting his divine nature and role as the ultimate source and end of all creation. SO if Aslan/JEsus is in fact the source of all creation let analyse all he created :

Genesis 1:1 (FIRST verse of the Bible. ְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ׃ = IN the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.);

In Hebrew, in the original the word "bə·rê·šîṯ", "Be", to be more specific, has the meaning of "being somewhere", but this preposition is used for "non-specific" cases; In other words, bə·rê·šîṯ could be better translated as NOT as "in the beginning", but rather as "a beginning", that is, the text would now be ("In ONE beginning God created the heavens and the earth."), and Note well, that when we look at this panorama in relation to the context, we can better interpret this text referring to creation, for example, we can now understand that there was not just 1 principle, but, yes, who knows that this story, this "Creation of the world" , it may be one of God's stories, it is one of the beginnings so to speak... which in fact is even better as a translation, so the first verse of the Bible when translated correctly is like [Genesis 1:1] ("In ONE from the beginnings, God created the heavens and the earth"), we can now see that we, with an INCORRECT translation, end up reducing ourselves, so to speak, to "our" principle (of our universe), given that God is infinite and completely timeless, not limited to the creation of our world only.



3° Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence :
* **Omnipotence:** YHWH is believed to be omnipotent, possessing infinite power. This means he can do anything logically possible, including creating, destroying, and altering reality.

* **Omniscience:** YHWH is also omniscient, possessing infinite knowledge. This includes knowing the past, present, and future.

* **Omnipresence:** He's believed to be omnipresent, existing everywhere simultaneously.

These attributes suggest absolute power, exceeding any physical limitations. (YHWH/JEsus/Aslan is BOUNDLESS).
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mtrindadc
Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Aslan (Divine) (Narnia)
53 months member
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Aslan (Divine) (Narnia) 4° ASlan/JEsus Tier is Boundless...but what that mean?
Tier BOundless :
Characters or objects that can affect structures which completely exceed the logical foundations of "High Outerverse level", much like it exceeds the ones defining "High Outerverse level" and below, meaning that all possible levels of "High Outerverse level" are exceeded, even an infinite or uncountably amount of such levels. This tier has no endpoint, and can be extended to any higher level just like the ones above.

5° Lucifer Tier is "High Outerverse level", ASlan/Tier is "Boundless".
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer_Morningstar_(DC_Comics)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System#Tier_0:_Boundless

6° C.S. Lewis believed in God's absolute power, often referred to as omnipotence. Here's a specific comment from him that reflects this belief:

* **"If God were not the source of truth, Himself the Truth, then our whole conception of truth would crumble. It would be no more than what worked for the time being" (Mere Christianity).**


In this profound quote, Lewis emphasizes God's role as the foundation of truth itself. This implies a level of power that transcends human limitations and establishes God as the ultimate source of all things.

7° Here's a passage from C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity that reflects his belief in God's supremacy:

* "**First about the nature of God. Consider what this means. If God is the complete explanation of everything, then He cannot Himself be explained by anything else. There must be nothing outside Him which could be used as an explanation of Him**." (Mere Christianity)


This quote highlights the idea that God exists beyond explanation or comparison. He is the ultimate reality, by definition unequaled or surpassed by anything else.
Hesperus
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Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Aslan (Divine) (Narnia)
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Aslan (Divine) (Narnia) @mtrindadc Good Point.

Aslan, serves as a Christ-like figure or author describes it thus. He is God manifestation of the Emperor-beyond-the-Sea (God ). according to the words of C. S. Lewis, says that Aslan was not meant as an allegorical representation of Christ, but rather a "suppositional incarnation" - what Christ may have been like if he incarnated in the world of Narnia instead of our world.

Author C. S. Lewis replied: If Aslan represented the immaterial Deity, he would be an allegorical figure. In reality however, he is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question, "What might Christ become like if there really were a world like Narnia and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?" This is not allegory at all. In one of his last letters, Lewis wrote, "Since Narnia is a world of Talking Beasts, I thought He [Christ] would become a Talking Beast there, as He became a man here. I pictured Him becoming a lion there because (a) the lion is supposed to be the king of beasts; (b) Christ is called "The Lion of Judah" in the Bible; (c) I'd been having strange dreams about lions when I began writing the work." However, the cosmology extends even beyond what is directly described in the books. As the scholar Michael Ward explained Lewis structured each of the seven Narnia books to correspond with one of the seven medieval heavens and their respective classical planets. This suggests Narnia is just one layer within a much grander celestial scheme that was common in medieval times.

in my opinion, Aslan is most truly a character that fits the Tier 0 - Boundless if given that the Onion Layer used by C.S. Lewis to describe the different Layers of reality in The Chronicles of Narnia. Each Narnia story takes place in its own fictional world, but they are implied to be "nested realities" - Universes within Universes.

The onion layer suggests that each subsequent layer of reality is more "real" than the one within it. The innermost layers are more symbolic or allegorical. In The Last Battle, when the characters enter Aslan's country, Lucy says that it is "more real and more beautiful" than Narnia. Tumnus compares it to peeling an onion, each circle larger than the last. This relates to Plato's allegory of the cave, where the shadows on the cave wall represent a lower level of reality compared to the real world outside. In Narnia, each new layer goes to infinity revealed approaches to the ultimate reality.

Sources:
1. EMPIRE STATE TRIBUNE
2. PLANET NARNIA
3. Restless Pilgrim
4. THE CLASSICAL ANTHOLOGY
5. all novel

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